Mentors - What do you want? / Need?

Okay, very good. Um... Yeah, so I suppose... Well, I'm interested. What do you, what do you want from a mentor? What can you imagine? I think, I think, I think that's what I, what I kind of struggle with, really. It's like, in terms of, so, I'm coming into, I'm coming back into my career by stuff to be a creative producer, you know, I got contacts. 

So where it's going to come, and I've made all other people to explore that. in a way that's like, I, you know, the practicalities of producing it, holding space, enabling them to do what it is they want to do. 

So I understand the kind of ways in which we can help this thing is taking through his dreams and ideas, and their frat, and how them about their practises, about their projects, from a producorial, kind of, you know, mindset. I wonder what the mental leader mindset is, and I wonder how it can, like, help the individual. I'm interested in receiving mentorship at this point when I'm coming out and I'm going back into practice. I just trying to identify who are those mentors and how would they be useful to me? 

I have an inkling or a sense, but I don't have, like, a known answer to, like, how would they help me? And I'm just interested in it, and how it might function in. Like, my group or my tobacco, but generally speaking, as well, how mental shit functions. Yeah. Mm, uh, ecosystem. So, any insight you've got? So, what's your kind of background? So I'm a theatre director, so I guess I've been sort of involved in creative practice. 

And I guess my, I suppose, where I'm coming from, really, is that I've, you know, I've directed, like, 50 plays in my lifetime. Um, and I feel, I suppose, a little bit like, um... That I kind of, it sounds a bit patronising. We kind of want to give something back, or to sort of go, maybe I can be helpful in saying, well, this kind of thing has happened to me before. She wants to think about, you know, how, how, can we talk about how you're going to get round at? I mean, I suppose in some ways my background is also sort of facilitation. 

So there is a sense of wanting... the kind of mentor that I would be... would be kind of asking, you know, what is it that you want? You know, what is problematic in this particular hello, come in. Um... We've just been talking about... So, Justin was talking about his kind of feelings in terms of being a potential mentee. And I'm just talking about kind of why I would want to be a mentor. and kind of just going into I'm quite a, um, questioning based mental rather than a, you should jolly well do, you know, pull yourself together. Do this. 

But coming from a place of having had lots of experience, that there's a sense, I suppose, from my point of view, that I want to be able to share that with younger people, that makes me feel useful. Yeah. Wow, what's so cool? I... I will producing. I think my relation to this is I... I've done a few, kind of, artist development programme, which involves a bit of mentorship preparing that artist. But then... It's always kind of like a mystery, or kind of a moving goalpost of... Okay, I can partner with people, but... 

So I pay them, how much do I pay them? What, what are responsibilities, or ventors, like, how we do, like, 'cause I, I try to, like, hold it, and... Sometimes mentor, just in, like, three sessions across, like, a few months, sometimes if they are having to, like, go into, like, the sort of the artist. 

And... so that people do get different things out from their relationship, but beyond the sessions that we want to win. The specific ones, in the August, at last, how... how... how... mentors, and mentees, and counselable, in their way, so that they get the things that they... What? 

Here's my big question. Like, how do I facilitate this to make this beautiful, but also, before... reward this whole thing on particular, but I'm trying to do that. So I think it's... I think that's quite tricky, 'cause obviously, um, I think some people do voluntarily mentoring. Um.. And there is a kind of two way street in the sense that the mentor learns a lot from the mentees, so it's not a completely one sided, you know, road, double sided road. You know what I mean? So I think that's really interesting. But as you say, it's that thing about, I mean, it sort of sounds like you most need sort of evaluation forms, don't you? Where you go, what did you get out of this? You know? And do you use the same mentors? Or do you just pair one or one? Okay, fine. Because... our programme was kind of targeted... So they are more... mentees and mentors. Right. A bit of a closer, cultural context. Oh, but other than that, it's actually, adds the mentions, what they do. Yeah. Right. And then, we try to see it over and out, which is the best... 

It's important, but also, sometimes away from, like, my second place, like, it's easy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I was just about to say. I was on an artist development programme about three years ago, and as part of that, we'd have money to pay a mentor. And they were like, so who might you like? And I was like, I don't know. I was like, I have a clue. 

Like, I was, like, because I suppose one of the missing pieces for me, and this is kind of what I said to you to, when I first sat down, then it must be just me as an artist is, what is it that I need and who can facilitate that? But I suppose what's interesting about what you're saying, is that you're coming at it, 'cause I, I, I've also been a producer I have 2 years and I'm re-entering. I artisty about this. thinking about mentorship in a little bit more of a pragmatic way. 

I suppose what part of the process is mentorship. If a project has a director, a producer, when I was working as a producer, it was like, I'm capable of setting up a room, people, and have them 12 on the leg. What, what, what, what is it that a mental brings in? And what I think it is, it's like, you know, it's almost writing a PhD and they have their... It's the small faces. 

Yeah, it's just that externalised, that kind of external people, that kind of... Oh, God. Ah, like, those... those surprising kind of areas where... where you've been able to... your focus isn't there. I suppose, can it also be... I have lots of questions about it. Like, can it be, well, can it be wellness? Can it be career driven? Can it be pragmatic? Can it be a very, like, 

Well, look, if you make this show, you'll be able to make a show like this, a show like this, and then have be in front of all these people. You know, can it be a career mental, can it be a wellness mental? 

Could be a practice mentor, in terms of, I'm a director. So I want to learn, you know, X, Y, and Z skills from a director. Should that even good? So when you're an artist in that situation, you have like this platform of choice. You're like, I mean, I just, I think, I mean, I suppose what was interesting for me was that I mentored somebody who was looking for a mental. Right, right. And... she... she and I worked out what kind of mentor she needed. 

Okay. So I mentored her to get a mentor. Right, right, right. It was, like, one more move, you know? Yeah, yeah. You know? And that was very interesting because it was like, you know, we sort of knew that I wasn't the right fit, but we knew that I could ask the questions that would then get me, get her to the place where she needed to be. Yeah, yeah. 

So, I mean, I suppose in answer to your question, I think it, you know, they, you don't have to have one mentor that fits all. No, no. You might need, you know, I suppose it's what is burning most in you initially. 

Yeah. You know, that... Because there are, like... between, like, a mentor, and a lifeguard, and then a therapist, a counsellor, and then, now I'm working with the life slash career coaches, like, well, like, most of them are, like, more, more do you want, and in your life, is someone like... Yeah, it's hard. And then you can't, you can't just expect, like, let's say, mentors are usually with wear, or multiple experience, and the industry with, like, similarities of what you do. 

They aren't necessarily the life. Like, some of them are, it does take a bit of, you know, ways to analyse, but, like, structure things. said perspective in different ways. And then some of them, great artists, are fragrant, they don't teach. Some of them, they aren't, like, worldwide names, they're really good at teaching moments. How, how do I do so much living? 

Well, this is what you mean. Oh, my God. A lot of things to think about, but I suppose it's talking to people, isn't it? That's the only talking to people and looking at less EVs and, you know, feeling, feeling your way through. I mean, it sounds like you've been pairing people successfully. 

Yeah. Listen, it's an interesting meeting. I think that, one point, you based in terms of, like, evil... But I chose an eyes. I... And so they contacted the eyes, and the eyes was like, I don't know how to be a mentor. You know? I don't know what that is. I don't know what that looks like. I don't know how you, like, I've just made the artwork if I may. So, then, we worked with them on, like, what it would look like, what shape it would be. 

So we sort of collaborated on how we'd meet and what the information exchange will be, is that. And it went into really, really well, but it wasn't that kind of tradition, conventional form of mentorship. I suppose. So have you, so are you in a mentorship position, or are you, like, kind of getting into it and exploring it? I'm getting into it on the explorer on it. I mean, I'm freelong, so I'm not... Yeah, yeah. And I guess I've... I kind of have mentored people and not charged in money. Right. 

So that's, that's kind of, I'm coming from a slightly, just that I kind of, sounds a bit wanky, but sort of giving back, you know, actually putting something, planting some seeds, you know, some of the things that I've most enjoyed about my directing is where I look at people and think, you know, like the, I gave Michelle, who runs the globe, her first acting job. 

You know, there are people where I go, I started you off on this process, and off you go. So, it's sort of a, it's a kind of extension of that, I think. Yeah. Yeah, I think, uh... I think, uh, in the, like, we talked a little bit about, about, like, the cultural ecosystem, of, like, who is necessary in order to make a piece of work. I think if you take it outside of a piece of work, it's like, I do think, for me, where I am at the moment, I think the mentorship I'm looking for is like career strategising, rather than, like, how am I in a room working? 

But it could be a little bit of that, too. Yeah. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Like, it could be a rough kind of project, I've worked with these people, I've never stuck with theirs, because XYC keeps happening, and I don't know how to get around now. Um, but I think, I think the thing when I join the eyes, developing the skiing eyes, you know, give some money to me. I think I was really interested in, of course, finding a new way, a new practice. 

So, like... Well, I had to explore... And that's why I read the names. practice. So they're kind of sharing their practice. I guess as well, one question, how it's like, is it a long form relationship, or could it be, like, a project? relationship or kind of do... A... So we taught four times a year in relationship. Like, you know, what are all the variations? Yeah, I think all of those things are possible, aren't they? I mean, there's obviously a kind of question in terms of how did you fund that? You know, how do you pay the mental to be the mental? And the longer you need them for them? I mean, some of, I mean, some of my mentors have been, you know, people that I've met along the way. Yeah, yeah. 

That has become friends or colleagues, some people that you can ring up and say, I'm having a really bad time. Can you help? Yeah. But I think, just in terms of your sort of different definitions, it feels to me like mentorship. It's more, just tend to be more career based or artist's practice based than, I think, you know, for example, for me, I would be, you know, very scared to get into something where, you know, somebody was saying to me, My mother never loved me. 

Right, right. I mean, unless you were making a piece of work. Yeah, I was making this work about it. So you can help me with that. Um, that's interesting. Yeah. Kind of, like, thinking about, like, the mental relationship I have. that last like the ones that actually last long usually our friends slash mentals, like they are usually not through a programme. 

They're planning... RV, or, like, my line manager... Even when we finish off the project, or the programme, somehow, the courses, I think... just surprised the relationship, longer even after the project, because I've had mentors pleasantly... But they're very busy with people, so after that, I'm probably close, like, the email. Yeah, I think, like, that. That's interesting, yeah, that's interesting. 

John, that makes me feel about it. You have four momentorship, as well? Like, are we all, like, informal mentors for people in certain situations and stuff? 'Cause, like, with their developing your creative practice, from arts council to England, like one of the main things you can budget for within that is a mantle, right? 

So you can budget X amount of money. And actually, that one, one of the things that I really like, is if I'm bringing a mentor that has, you know, lots of experience and a great CV. So, I suppose, from an art psychology sense, for arts cancer, it makes total sense that there is, like, it's almost like trickle down, right? It's a way to give it back or it's a... It's the fun, you know, the knowledge based. Because, I suppose, otherwise, we're always in the craxis of everyone's learning everything for the first time. And it's quite a brutal meal to be quite a brutal cycle. So his mentorship, I prefer, he, like, crucial way to kind of stab it. Yeah. 

You know, the repetition, as well. I'm working with somebody who's directing their first ever plan. Okay. I mean, they've done lots of work, kind of, in the, that they've been kind of an assistant director, and they've done set in costume. They've been kind of around it, and they sort of finally went, I could do that. I could do that thing about buses do, but I'm there to... talk them through, you know, kind of... how to prepare... You know, what to expect in terms of, like, the first read through. We've talked about it, I don't know how to put together a rehearsal schedule. You know, so that's been quite interesting, that the thing is, as you say, passing well. Yeah. I also know that some big companies have gone for very young directors, and then being surprised when they've sort of fallen on their arses, because they've not got that support strategy. 

Right. You know, that, as you say, everybody's learning, you know, you don't want to be whilst it's sort of wonderful to be directing, you know, say, the national. If you've got, if you're very un... Yeah. inexperienced and you're suddenly put in a really pressurised position. Yeah, yeah. You know, that having a mental might actually be a way through that. Yeah. Well, I mean, in that, that's half of Wales based, uh, based in Wales, and that happens, like, quite a lot. I think that people kind of get accelerated really quickly, because they make, like, their, like, solo shows or something, and then that gets, like, that's really successful. It's not like, Hey, come in directly. It's, like, 12 ensemble, like, piece, it's, like, I mean, it's just, like, the daunting, like, acceleration into that, and then people just, like, burn out, and then, just, like, you know, suddenly evening in the street for about a year, whatever it is, and there's a lot of pressure, when it's about scarcity as well. 

So, I'm really interested in, you know, as old shit. There's a solution to lots of different things, but as a kind of something that we don't talk a lot, enough about in the artsy code system. Um, so, so, where's, where's an American, are you from? Are you still there? Uh, well, that programme, I fund those for it, and it runs with it. Oh, okay. That's... 

That run doesn't exist anymore. That's my struggle, like, because we've run this programme for two years. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I started thinking about people to know, hey, this is where they're going... And when the mentors coming in, so there's a mix of, like, metal. Right. Make career changes, like they're younger ones, but... we could do the, like, kind of pledge to pay everyone properly for the time. So, how do I... But even for some people, they might be happy to, and contribute their time to... fulfil the circle, or, like, support other... So, anything on how to start asking that, because it feels, like, I used to ask them to do this with the paint, like, that's kind of our moral fabric. 

Yeah, I think that's difficult as a company, isn't it, to start to say... We need to do this. Yeah. And hopefully win that programme, because there's, like, this project, like, the media does, and the maintaining gets to know, let's go in there sometimes. And I think that's so important, and, you know, like, they might have heard their names before, they might have seen their bios before. Because, like, let's say, I could have asked someone, like, I could have asked you, if I'd known you before, can you be a mentor? That's very easy situation. But we, we knew each other, right, on the part, and I think with mental, in, uh, specific programmes, it's so precious, promoted, they could be complete right here, and then someone be, oh, there is a similarity order, something that could happen, potential. But then, because there is this programme, then we, we will have to be probably... 

This is a really, like, half of it stuck. Like, I want to continue doing that work, but I don't see it getting Monday hot chocolate. Some people, some people will say, I don't mind, you'll get paid, but also, some people, when they see the sun... Whyublic? Yeah. So, yeah, it's a thing of, like, so you keep doing it. at the I think that's... I don't think that might have a solution to that problem. I think, think, challenge. It's tricky, 'cause, as you say, there is a sense, you know, my, I have colleagues who I bring up and say, Hello. I don't know what's going on. 

My rehearsal room is being very peculiar. Can you help me, if they say, when, you know, but we're paranoid, and we have very similar areas. So I know that he knows, you know, he knows where all the bodies are married. All the actors are. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So what kind of work do you make? I made, um, I've tended to make, sort of, big, classical fetis, so Shakespeare, and, um... It's sort of tend to get the kind of Oscar Wildes, and the Noel Howards, you know, those kind of pieces, but recently, I'm working on a hair project, which is an applied theatre. Oh, well. So we go to Essex, to finish a few people about their relationship with their hairdressers. Oh, wow. Yes, that's amazing. Yeah, so I think it'd be just really interesting to see that it's such a, to be what mentor isn't such an intimate relationship for women, I think, to hear. It's kind of... people say, Oh, I stayed with my hairdresser, longer than I, than with my husband. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So what kind of books do you make? Mainly devising, theatre.... Well, you, can I ask you a question? Yeah. Some of those websites. Yeah. Are they, like... Wow, then. What's the point? little bit Yeah. See you later. Um, I do some, uh... I do, like, what I really want to do, what I really want to start looking at is devising theatre processes, but I want to look at merging, um, professional casts with community casts. 

So I want to kind of look at, like, building ensemble, casts, where there's an interchange or exchange between professional actors and artists, makers, beer makers, and community members who aren't really interested in performing. Because I'm essentially diversifying a lot at the moment in terms of where my work exists and who it's for, so I'm doing a lot with us and how. So I'm, um, looking to do an MA at the end of this, do out of style in September. Um, which is not health, MA, which is working with the the Betsy Carthwalleter health board, um, in the NHS trust in North Wales. and developing a practice that, like, uses theatre to essentially, like, my focus will be on mental health. and like emotional wellness. So I'm really interested in blended methodologies. I've always been a device fear maker, so I've always been somebody who gets in a room and practises with people and kind of finds ways for us to explore, you know, multiple ideas or find a thread. Usually, 9 times out of 10, I'm in that room because we know that we want to make a piece of work about X, Y, and Z. Yeah. And we know we're making a piece that with these conditions, with this setting, and, like, this, and, you know, some desired outcomes. 

So, yeah, I do that. But I'm also, my blended community and professional cast, I'm in the midst of getting funded to do a large scale, the production of the bath. in an old ironworks factory. Oh, wonderful. Yeah, and that will be a blended cast, and there'll be six all members of caste, and then there'll be community leaders in past to fulfil the ensemble, yeah. So that is... What do you do about paying? Do you pay the bills online? Uh, the community cast. Yeah. Yeah, what we do is they get covers of the DMs, so they get everything through to their travel, food. There's no accommodation because they're local. So we work on a hyper a local basis. So we'll go to the ironworks and see what works, and I'm going to splash the artworks. 

So we'll go to the steel works, and then at the envelope area, we'll investigate as anyone in the immediate local area that wants to anticipate. Um, and then, uh, we um, then we go outside of that area by half an hour. So we'll do hyperlogo 1st and then we're looking at like catchment of community, half an hour outside of that, radius. And yeah, for the most part, I've done it. I done it twice before. And what I find is that people who want to engage will engage and they'll get a lot out of it. And also we're not working under a commercial basis. We're working into a non-for-profit. So it's a CIC kind of setup and it's a non-profit basis. So it's not like we're using the ensemble cast to like monetise. You know what I mean? And make bank off them. 

And what we tend to raise, we tend to be invest in various different ways, like public workshops, community workshops. Appearances are like village fates and stuff like that. But I've never approached a bit of Shakespeare before as a director. Um, and I love my path as, as, as, as my favourite Shakespeare play. But that doesn't mean I know what I'm doing. So I'm looking to apply a bit of a devising methodology with with the boat, but keep the text, you know? So looking at the ways in which we can merge the contest of the steel works into the story itself. So it steel works, closed in 1990. And one of the things I'm really interested in is, like, the basis setting the story in the 1990s. So like that transition from the 80s into the 90s and looking at Macbeth wanting to, you know, attain power in that setting. 

So having the cat him as a steel worker and like the ensemble cast for the steel worker, and essentially, I think the gray had a climactic moment of Macbeth is like the world has engineered, you know, his end, I suppose. It's like these unforeseeable, well, very foreseeable forces. have conspired to kind of put an end to my bath. And I feel like there's an analogy in the politics of the late 80s and 90s, and the impact that it had on manual labour and steel work in Wales. 

So it's been set in North Wales. So I think there's a bit of a paradigm between kind of propping yourself up for a position of power to have the carpet falls underneath your feet, buy, buy forces that you have no control over. You know, Macbeth found himself at the head of a tiny kingdom, and therefore was very vulnerable to any kind of larger external threat. And I really feel like that's present in the story of the Ironworks. Yeah, yeah, lovely. Yeah. Yeah. So that's where I'm at. How about you? Have you dipped up a bath? You ever done any Shakespeare? I've done my bath a couple of times. Oh, okay, cool. Where are you based? Uh, so, Oxfordshire. Oh, okay. Almost in London, but I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The moment I work in Essence, quite a lot. Oh, okay. Yeah. I love the Elizabeth line. Right, right, right. It takes me from Paddington to Romford, and I love it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, amazing. Great. Yeah What's interesting about the... So, I did a piece about tattoos, and I went and interviewed people about their tattoos in essence. Wow. 

And then I've made, we made a verbatim piece of things. Yeah, and we did it with amateurs originally. We did it. We did it in... a tattoo studio, so we did it side specifically. Oh, I'd love it. Yeah, so that was really cool. But we got... We got in a bit of a muddle with the theatre, 'cause I wanted... So, it was an all amateur company, and I wanted to have a kind of professional swing. Right, right. Somebody that would sort of be able to step. I mean, they kind of, it was a bit more like a reading in the sense that they had storms. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because if you went to tattoo studio, you can get books. Oh, yeah, yeah. And kind of cheesy... A tattoo, yeah. tattoo, so they could have folders that they can. But the theatre got only three years. Got very uptight about having a professional... Oh, okay. 

Because they found it, that was us saying, you know, we can have five amters, and then we can just, you know, we only need to pay if you are. So, this time, we're certainly gonna say, you know, make sure that they're completely not out of pocket. OK. Things like that, so... Yeah, is that with their hairdressing, please? Yeah. It sounds like you're doing these releases where you're, you're examining these intimate relationships that we have, but they're based on, they're quite transactional, aren't they? But they become intimate. you know? Like, the hairdresser. It's funny because I've never had a consistent hairdresser since I moved back to North Wales. I went to someone's funeral, funnily enough, and I bumped into an old friend that I used to work with in somewhere else, and she opened the hairdressers in a barbershop, and she was like, oh, you should come in. 

And, like, she's been cutting my hair for the past year. And actually, I've never had that relationship before with someone, consistently whose, like, knows how I want my haircut, and I was like, you know, but there's also an intimacy and a touch thing to it as well. Yeah, yeah. You know, that's, like, very, like, quite, you know, I suppose not alarming, but quite, like, disarming if you're not quite prepared for it. So I'm really interested in that. It's actually cool. Yeah. It's really interesting. Yeah. So, I'm just doing the really boring bit, and I'm going to try to erase enough money to do... Yeah. But there are sort of interesting little trusts in Heybring that there's quite a lot of a sense that they want to tell the stories. 

Oh, okay. That's a good ankle, isn't it? Because I suppose they're all local people, local stories, and stuff like that. So, you've got, like, you know, kind of in, this, um, there's a show I remember, I think it was made by an American company, and, uh, it was kids. And adults in the audience and the adults would get their haircut by the kids on stage. Oh, my God. That's terrible. It's really terrifying. I know, I know. Yeah, it was, uh, it was really mixed about it. It would read up a lot about it online. They're so like, I can't remember what it is, but there's a very good reason for it. And it was about giving over the, giving over permission to children to like, you know, do their thing and add more in civic society, but how it was kind of localised to the haircut, I suppose. I know. Yeah, for a wild concept. Any volunteers? I'd be like, no, absolutely not. I'm good, thank you.. Here, please, here. Let go. It's going good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're talking about mentors from a mental, mentee standpoint. Hey. So, where do you sit? I think I wanted to, and I don't know... Yeah. What? End of sentence. Can you mentor me that? Entorship? I copy that. 

I suppose one of the things we've been doing, is that, you know, you put some of the uneasiest ways of doing it, is to find somebody that you're working with, and somebody who, you know, the chair of living, or doing somebody that's in your... 'Cause what we've been talking about, if we're putting the wealth in that, or we've been talking about, is only... Like, how do you have a longer relationship? Yeah. You know, is it, is it just..... Is it just transient? Is it just, you know, two or three sessions? Why are you so interested? 

So, I... I... theatre facilitated I What am I doing? A little bit, just in terms of, like, yeah, so we just... I guess what I really am interested in is, like, starting, I guess, starting at the interview. where I am. But when I say that, I feel like that brings that night to all that I like. And that's not actually really what I really have. I would... to practice... It's not... And I look at, like, how do you lie? It's about alignment. That's good. I suggested... So, yeah, so I like to... How do I sort of kickstart this? What am I looking for? I was... Yeah. And... Yeah, yeah, yeah. almost Um, yeah, just, I'm just, like, I think I'm just a little bit about how, how can I go about this? I Who else is doing stuff like this?. So, did you get some... Where was your artist? 

Well, excuse me. So, I was in Cardiff, and I was doing an artist development skiing. I went out of the eyes. As part of it, they were like, Oh, you can have a mentor. Okay. You know? And I was like, that's good. And I was like, um, they were, Who do you want? And I was like, I don't know, because what I find interesting about you talking, then, is you have actually quite, you have quite a specific outcome that you want to, you want to arrive at, you're just not sure how to get there. So you want to mentor through that process of, like, kind of doing that.

And we talked a little bit about how, um, the role of mentorship within, like, arts development is to stop, is to try and... stop the process of everyone having to fail, to learn everything. Funny, I was thinking about calling a central failure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It feels exhausting, right? To kind of be on the, be on the, like, the constant, like, you have to just learn from making mistakes. 

You just have to learn on the ground. And actually, the idea of mentorship is linking me with a really good mantor. to accelerate your tradactory. celebrate your practice, accelerate your ambitions a little bit. Because, of course, you could sit there, and kind of use Google, or, like, read, or whatever you want to do, and, like, go, like, How I do this? How do I do this? How do I do this, how ideas? Or you could have an hour with like a really, you know, somebody gets done in it, knows how to do it, picking all the shortcuts, knows all the foundations are there, to help you kind of build, you know, that for yourself. 

So it feels like, but that's where I struggled, because as I sat down with this year, I was like, yeah, I know I want a mentor, but I don't really know why, but, like, I feel like I just, I feel like I'm a bit lost, and, like, I just want a little bit guidance, like, into the next part of what it is I want to do, which I'm not even really sure what it is, but then I started just articulating my aims a little bit. it's also, like, blended eyes, professional communities, like, kind of work, and, like, put them on tumbles, and building stuff like that. 

So yeah, I wonder if it's about, if you're finding the right mental view is always about that mental having trod the same path, as you would tend to tread. Yeah. So, so, as basically, is the local theme, isn't it, of somebody who's coming in the scene and only wants to be in, you know... He's there, a puppeteer, that would be an admire, that... So, I feel like I'm positively so different, like... I... I... And we were just, like, everything in London was quite interesting. overwhelmed system for years, but, um, overwhelming, and then I, I'm also in your mother, so, um... I have a bachelor, so, like, part of the next, in terms of, like, I'm just sort of, like... I seen a couple of kids' shows, basically. He is, so it has been a little bit of, like, he tries to slowly figure out where I am now, but... what's happening is around, and... Interesting thing. I've seen it more... Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think even just the woody search and it... daunting in some way. Yeah, it feels like There are lots of people do love of things. Yeah. 

Figuring out where they are. Like, yeah, it's, like, any of the companies that you were interested in. Hello. I'd like to join your social. Hello. Thanks, Mom. Never too late. What have we got left? Half an hour on the clock. So, you'll probably... Yeah, I guess it was, like, the, you know, do any of the companies that you're interested in running mentorships? You know, is there a way of... sliding in as, you know, 'cause... I suppose my experience, at the moment, is that there's a real interest in local artists, you know, that partly water, because the theatres don't need to pay them as much. You know, but it's like, can you get somebody really local, please, so we don't, you know, look, I think there is an interest in a... 

Certainly, I do an ask council form at the moment, and there's a lot about, you know, artistic, community, and, like, how is your project going to? And a fact that I'm the time... Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know. So... Get it. Sorry, if it's.... Um, so I mainly sort of mentor people along the way. Um, I... have had a lot of assistant directors. So I tended to mental them, um, through, you know, through rehearsals, trying to give them as much to do as possible. And also, you know, they still really are many years later and say, I'm thinking about doing this, what do you think? go, Yeah. But then, I suppose, it's the kind of, it becomes a kind of friendship. thing. You know, there are some that I have that always like. I never want to see you again. Goodbye. 

Hi. Hi. I was just gonna say, what's your interesting topic? We've identified ourselves as mentors and mantees. Well, it's my hour one night, I was really trying to... And we don't have it so formal... like... Or, like, craving, certain conversations from people to having, like... Maybe flying away, seeing if you... It's not... Just, like, um... Normally, it's just clearly responsive, so if someone asks me, this is, like... But we're trying to think of, like, is there a... like a format? I did... You're a piece of book of surgery... with them... And then, slightly, I know Emma Wright company. They, they, like, all, like, one hundred page for one year. 

On a Sunday, actually... There's obviously like these different. I was just really thoughtful about... If anyone had any good examples, or things that they thought were, it's an examples of, like, four months, people were, or be useful, just because... Um, it's something of, um, we could formalise it, that might help... .. for people, really, huge faults. But wouldn't necessarily ask. Does that make sense? Even as you said, well, as well... Because you're saying, you know, there's different... Yeah. So then someone could actually go through, and be like, oh, I do just need a surgery to talk about fun. 

Whoa, I know, I see you're really interested in your long term. I think people in those, but you don't have it, formally, but they are on his list, so I think... And that's something that... could be interesting for DMV, because... Like, I wonder what, I've not... coming for a long job, though, this might exist, but... Is there, like, a portal of resources? You know, where people could say. I think what it was. Well, obviously, mentory is also, like, the main thing that people do as well, and, like, age. So... Yeah, I don't know. I mean, why did you win the session? What was in your brain? I think, I was... I feel like I've got a lot of mixed mail. 

You know, I do actually a lot of planes, and I know how to do it. And I feel like there's knowledge that I have that I would be useful to. And I also feel like when I have mentioned people, I get a lot out of it as well, so it doesn't, it's not a, it's not a one way student. 

So I suppose those are all sorts of thoughts that were going on for me. I think there's something about being an older person in terms of my profession, which is sometimes very youth driven, which is maybe... in some ways, as it should be. Um, but it feels a little bit like... I feel a little bit like I'm sort of going out to grasp it, and then, therefore, I'd really like to get to be plugged in. Um, you know, and help them to the bloody day. And what... what... format of amentary do you think it was union? Like, um, or, like, what different models? Yeah. Yeah. 

I suppose I do something called action learning, which is based very much on questioning. So it's, um, yeah, just, you know, what would you like for your mentor, uh, what your ambitions for the next show? A lot of problems do you have? So you're kind of asking questions to get, and then you might say, well, actually, the thing about a rehearsal room, that's really chaotic, is you do have to raise your voice sometimes, in order to calm everybody down. Yeah. So, so... I suppose that way it comes very much from the... Oh, just... I'm trying to think, I think I did... the last man to... I had, I think I did about eight, eight, one, half sessions. And they...? Because we got a valley, we still had, uh, informing... That's good. Yeah. I think it was just, like, I could just... Sorry, yes. Well, what would help? What would you want to, like, out of a mentoring situation? I guess it was, like, a little bit, what's on up a bit more, more lonely, like, like, maybe I say, okay, this, surgery, and more, like, money, bother to relationship. So, to shared complexity, healthier. Aww... Yeah, just a big, uh... Enable to, uh, to pull this stuff and have... But that's not, because... Yeah. 

And I wonder if, like... I wonder if there is, like, so... Or... All Mediterranean, we are. where people could, like, I don't know if this exists. But if it has something, they would be useful, would be, like, somewhere where you could say, I would love to be a ventee. Here's what I'm looking for. And then you could also say... I would like to be a mentor. Yeah. Here's one thing I cannot find. Otherwise, how can you both connect otherwise? Yeah. Just knowing... You know, you have to know... Like, you just have to know the rehearsal. Which is part of it, and you'll be like, Oh, I really admire that person and what they've done. 

Maybe I could up. Then I get to the finance capacity thing, isn't there? Like. But that person might get, like, head repressed for entering. not only be able to deliver one. unpaid. They were paid. They could do it. could be... It could be... their breakfast. So... I guess there's wings in range, like, this programme... Like, what, or, like, do you also? Thank God. I'm so looking at it. I was like, um... But an endor there, since the, you know, guys, and, you know, that's... Andora, I suppose, you know, if the ventor was a little bit up for me, I can say, part of it, I was there... Yeah. That's... Yeah, but that's... 

That's so the feature... I miss. Right. So the, um, I would love to create a better space to be able to, although, you know, I wouldn't say, um, would be a good mentor, and if I was saying, like, even was usual, I could do it customised. Right. You know, I could make it work, or... I'm just sort of interested in finding everything format, where, you know, like... So, I think... Does anyone know of any, like, is there any, like, resource for, like... I need a mentor. I... I think it used to be. 

Well, there could be, like, um... This could be, like, a provocation for D&D, because, um, I guess this is the meeting place of a lot of different people. So there'll be a lot of different skills juggling around the room. And maybe there's a thing, like, where you can say... No, I don't know, I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I think there's... You know, there could be a thing of, say, I mean, I'm sort of almost thinking, you know, do we say to failure, can we put, you know, posted notes up? I wondering. Yeah. 

Do you want to mentor, want to be? Do you want to be a mentor? Yeah, it's all, like, um... There was a thing in it, just like, does it already kiss? Or we recreating something that exists somewhere, but we just don't know about it. Or is it, like, should it exist, then it doesn't exist? But then, if you're then running it, you know, how do you do that if you didn't have that much time? Yeah. Just come first served. Yeah, I mean, I think I thought of, like... Well, I mean, I think we should ask Faith about it, 'cause we did the thing. I didn't think it was a D&D thing, but it was a probable thing, years ago, and it was like, it was speed gating. It was, like, company. 

So, basically, people would just come and have, like, a 10 minute chat with each company, but then move on. And you just get a little soups on, so you could, like, ask a question. And then, like, move on. You know. I don't know, I mean... that was gooder than to organise that. I don't know. I don't know if they're still doing it, though, you know? Yeah, I'm very, like, uh... I'm all ears for corn, you know? You know, we could. 

And the thing where you didn't have to have too many, like, reinventions of the wheel. It like sh itself. Have you done any mention? you. I haven't done anything. Well, not that you know of. Yeah. Because sometimes mentoring is, like... It's not a formal arrangement. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Very thought. 

As the convener of the session, what will you be... what will you be writing out? 

Oh, um, so I've recorded it, so... Oh. They or may not come over as a thing. It may be, maybe just... I would... I would... Hey, kids. Do you think we've finished, or are we still going? You know, I think I'm finished.